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Dowell and Fangio: It's like looking in a mirror
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For some reason, fans seem to have reverence for Fangio while demanding that Dowell be replaced. Perhaps because he had some success in SF, Fangio seems to be given far more latitude in terms of expectations when compared first year coordinator Dowell. However, when you look at the stats for 2016, it's like looking in a mirror:

Bears defense:

Overall rank: 15th

​PPG: 24th

PassingYPG: 7th

RushingYPG: 27th

Bears offense:

Overall rank: 15th

PPG: 28th

PassingYPG: 14th

RushingYPG: 17th

In terms of overall production, both units finished 15th. As to points per game, which is a less accurate view of productivity for obvious reasons, the Bears defense was only ranked 4 places higher than the offense. Relative to the offense, Fangios defense was much better against the pass but far worse against the run.

One could argue that Dowell did more with less. Fangio was the beneficiary of a first round draft pick (Floyd) and the highest profile FAs (Trevathan and Freeman). Dowell got Howard and Whitehair, but neither was supposed to have the kind of impact they did. It's likely they were coached up by the solid staff Dowell assembled.

In short, if Fangio deserves to return, so does Dowell. As a first year coordinator, Dowell exceeded expectations and deserves a second year to solve the red zone problem, which is a genuine concern.

 

PGT34
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I don't think this tells the whole story. Bears offense was 30th in time of possession. The only other teams that were worse, you guessed it San Fran and Cleveland. When the D was constantly put in terrible situations. Use the eye test on this one, with the game on line, would you trust the defense or offense. I'd go with Vic 9 times out of 10

When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - D Butkus.

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY billwade

For some reason, fans seem to have reverence for Fangio while demanding that Dowell be replaced. Perhaps because he had some success in SF, Fangio seems to be given far more latitude in terms of expectations when compared first year coordinator Dowell. However, when you look at the stats for 2016, it's like looking in a mirror:

Bears defense:

Overall rank: 15th

​PPG: 24th

PassingYPG: 7th

RushingYPG: 27th

Bears offense:

Overall rank: 15th

PPG: 28th

PassingYPG: 14th

RushingYPG: 17th

In terms of overall production, both units finished 15th. As to points per game, which is a less accurate view of productivity for obvious reasons, the Bears defense was only ranked 4 places higher than the offense. Relative to the offense, Fangios defense was much better against the pass but far worse against the run.

One could argue that Dowell did more with less. Fangio was the beneficiary of a first round draft pick (Floyd) and the highest profile FAs (Trevathan and Freeman). Dowell got Howard and Whitehair, but neither was supposed to have the kind of impact they did. It's likely they were coached up by the solid staff Dowell assembled.

In short, if Fangio deserves to return, so does Dowell. As a first year coordinator, Dowell exceeded expectations and deserves a second year to solve the red zone problem, which is a genuine concern.

 

It comes down to this for me Bill, your stats don't lie but Fangio has a history of some kind of decent success with his job and he's brutally honest which is refreshing especially for the beloved,Loggains has no real history of any success at his job. Imho using floyd as an advantage for Vic to me isn't fair I believe most of us didn't think he'd turn out to be worth a shit and yes he did get to have freeman and trevathan until 1 got suspended and the other injured, me personally I thought it was a miracle that most teams didn't average 40 points against us considering most of the guys in our secondary would probably be on the practice squad on most other teams

"don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" outlaw josey wales

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I happen to agree with Bill on this one guys. Fangio has been given a free pass this season. Everyone is hanging on his jock strap, believing he some kind of Wunderkind!

Yes he has had some success in SF, but he had a stacked team when he was there. Excuses aside his play calling has been suspect in Chicago. Just as bad as Loggains.

3rd and extremely long against the Bucs and he does not blitz? really?

Winston a mediocre QB then rips off a 60+ yard play to save the game for the Bucs. His 3 man rush never got a sniff of jersey!

Fangio....meh!

Chicago Bears.......Why not!?

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In fairness to both guys, it's hard to give a fair comment on their effectiveness in their roles without their full weaponry at their disposal. Fangio lost the beast pairing of Trevathan and Freeman, both of whom were mauling everyone and anyone who came near them! 

and Dowell didn't really have a chance to build up an offence based around a QB with any continuity. Yeah, they should all know the offence, but each player has their own strengths which you'd want your coordinator to play too. Having said that, I think our collective patience wore thin every time he was telling Barkley to sling it, when Jordan Howard wasn't seeing as much of the ball as he could have done, despite the ability to run directly through brick walls! 

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Wow...... really?  In what universe is scoring not the most important statistic for an offense?  The Bears O ranked near last in scoring and damn near last in sustained drives, by any reasonable measure they were one of the worst offenses in the NFL.  

Dowell didn't "assemble" anything and the fact that his position coaches and individual position players put up good numbers only highlights the fact that he is a terrible game planner and play caller that could not get it done with plenty of talent/tools available.

Injuries didn't surmount on offense until later in the season at which time we learned because of them that Loggains had not even been using the best tool in the box in his rookie RB, who he continued to under utilize all freaking season long based on run pass ratio.  One absolutely could NOT argue that Dowell did more with less that is beyond ridiculous, he started the season with a healthy complete unit minus Grasu, and it turns out he was sitting his best player!

There is no need to even defend Fangio in comparison because Loggains was so craptastic!

 

Butkus never wore an earring

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Here are some stats for ya......

The Bears were 25th in rushing attempts, yet 17th in rushing yards!  That equates to 6th best in the league, top ten in yards per run!! 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total

What kinda genius sitting on a run attack that is 6th overall in the league per attempt calls damn near the fewest rushing plays of any team all season long?  This while suffering injuries to every QB and every WR and every TE he started the season with?

Seriously, if that does not tell you Dowell Loggains should not be game planning and calling plays on Sunday I freaking give up.......

Butkus never wore an earring

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It's like looking in a mirror all right............ 

Butkus never wore an earring

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY PapaBear.OR

Wow...... really?  In what universe is scoring not the most important statistic for an offense?  The Bears O ranked near last in scoring and damn near last in sustained drives, by any reasonable measure they were one of the worst offenses in the NFL.  

Dowell didn't "assemble" anything and the fact that his position coaches and individual position players put up good numbers only highlights the fact that he is a terrible game planner and play caller that could not get it done with plenty of talent/tools available.

Injuries didn't surmount on offense until later in the season at which time we learned because of them that Loggains had not even been using the best tool in the box in his rookie RB, who he continued to under utilize all freaking season long based on run pass ratio.  One absolutely could NOT argue that Dowell did more with less that is beyond ridiculous, he started the season with a healthy complete unit minus Grasu, and it turns out he was sitting his best player!

There is no need to even defend Fangio in comparison because Loggains was so craptastic!

 

Hear! Hear!

Loggains is hot garbage!  He does everything wrong. They need the QB coach to call the plays in next year and change the play to the oppisite of what Dowell calls. He calls a slant, option to a draw....ect.!

Chicago Bears.......Why not!?

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I just don't  get why he has an aversion to running the ball. Maybe we need the RB to call the plays....

Train like you are 2nd, but play like you are 1st.

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Especially when you have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th string qb in the game and your best wr is suspended for peds... I don't think we will ever get an answer

When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something. - D Butkus.

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