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After last nights game the only player the Bears should have on their radar in 1st is Quarterback: Deshaun Watson, guy showed what a real QB NFL prospect should look like.

I was struck by the contrast between Watson and Jay Cutler.  Cutler has never led a team on the big stage anywhere.  Cutler has never won a championship.  Cutler seems to fold in big games against the best opponents.  We've seen that time and time again here in Chicago.  He never won anything at Vanderbilt either... maybe not his fault, but those years were like these recent years on the Bears (11-35 overall record, and 5-27 in SEC games).  

This Watson just seems to handle the big stage well.  He is a winner.  He faced a big-boy defense (Alabama is an awesome machine).  He just refused to fold & they won.  He just put that team on his shoulders and WILLED it to win.  MVP.

I really hope they don't go QB in the first round... I just look back at the failure rate of 1st round QBs, add in he's an underclassman QB (which ups the failure rate of 1st round QBs) and his decision making this season was questionable early and again if his defense didn't step up and Bama wasn't so predictable with their play calling, he is down 28-0, maybe 28-7, going into half time.  Before his big drive in the second quarter here was his stat line 7 of 11 for 39 yards and 4 yards rushing with 2 sacks and a lost fumble... I am seeing a lighter Cam Newton who's body will break down on him if he attempt to play like Cam Newton... People like to compare Watson to Mariota, but they really don't compare, in 3 seasons as the Oregon starter Mariota threw 14 INTs...total.... in three years 14 and 6 of them were in his freshman year.  The guy just didn't make bad decisions with the ball.  Watson threw 13 last year and 17 this year....

Also call me old fashioned but I like 4/5 year college QBs, guys who stay normally transition better to the NFL.  Even just looking at the top QBs per rating shows that, of the top 20 only 5 were in college for 3 years or less, of the top 10 that number becomes 2, of the top 5, that drops to 1 and that was the guy who was able to sit behind Favre for 3 seasons and learn before taking over as the team leader.  Who knows what would have happen to Rodgers had he actually gone in the top 5 like some had predicted, I am guessing his career would have fizzled out getting beat up on a bad team.  Let us also not forget that had Matt Barkley come out after his junior year, there was a big possibility he would have gone #1 overall and been a giant bust as he really does look like a journeyman bridge/stop-gap starter at best in this league.  As good as some scouts are at seeing defensive and skill position talent, they are just as poor at evaluating QB talent/transition ability and that ability is lessened by early entrants because there really isn't a tangible way to fully judge character and leadership ability.

I also still believe the way that Ron Wolf believed, draft a QB later in every draft... they snagged Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselback and Mark Brunell in later rounds... the draft is a crap-shoot, no matter how much research you do, why not throw as many possibilities against the wall and see which ones stick

That said, I just don't see the Bears selecting a QB in the first round.  They need to win now and picking any of these QBs in the first round will require time and this coaching staff/front office really don't have two to three seasons to wait on a first round pick to be ready to play.  There are later round guys available that given the same amount of time to develop could work out... Peterman from Pitt (had his best game against Clemson with 5 TDs to 0 picks), Sefo Liufau (I believe he played most of the season hurt, if you watch him vs Michigan he was carving them up before he got injured and had to leave the game) or Zach Terrell (he has been consistent all season leading an undefeated WMU offense and he had 33 TD against 4 picks)

Prior to that game, Deshaun Watson was not considered a top 10 Pick. One games performance does not elevate him, all of a sudden, to the top 3 pick. He will be there late in the first if not the top of the second.

Take a sure fire pick at three and trade back into the later stages of the first round to get him. If at all. Do the Bears really want a running QB? Or do they want a game manager to ride the run game?

Sorry Shadow that means nothing, how many players over the years have moved in the top 10 after the combine, and they moved up without even being in a game, let alone a National Championship game. 

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY JustAnotherBear

 

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY JustAnotherBear

After last nights game the only player the Bears should have on their radar in 1st is Quarterback: Deshaun Watson, guy showed what a real QB NFL prospect should look like.

I was struck by the contrast between Watson and Jay Cutler.  Cutler has never led a team on the big stage anywhere.  Cutler has never won a championship.  Cutler seems to fold in big games against the best opponents.  We've seen that time and time again here in Chicago.  He never won anything at Vanderbilt either... maybe not his fault, but those years were like these recent years on the Bears (11-35 overall record, and 5-27 in SEC games).  

This Watson just seems to handle the big stage well.  He is a winner.  He faced a big-boy defense (Alabama is an awesome machine).  He just refused to fold & they won.  He just put that team on his shoulders and WILLED it to win.  MVP.

I really hope they don't go QB in the first round... I just look back at the failure rate of 1st round QBs, add in he's an underclassman QB (which ups the failure rate of 1st round QBs) and his decision making this season was questionable early and again if his defense didn't step up and Bama wasn't so predictable with their play calling, he is down 28-0, maybe 28-7, going into half time.  Before his big drive in the second quarter here was his stat line 7 of 11 for 39 yards and 4 yards rushing with 2 sacks and a lost fumble... I am seeing a lighter Cam Newton who's body will break down on him if he attempt to play like Cam Newton... People like to compare Watson to Mariota, but they really don't compare, in 3 seasons as the Oregon starter Mariota threw 14 INTs...total.... in three years 14 and 6 of them were in his freshman year.  The guy just didn't make bad decisions with the ball.  Watson threw 13 last year and 17 this year....

Also call me old fashioned but I like 4/5 year college QBs, guys who stay normally transition better to the NFL.  Even just looking at the top QBs per rating shows that, of the top 20 only 5 were in college for 3 years or less, of the top 10 that number becomes 2, of the top 5, that drops to 1 and that was the guy who was able to sit behind Favre for 3 seasons and learn before taking over as the team leader.  Who knows what would have happen to Rodgers had he actually gone in the top 5 like some had predicted, I am guessing his career would have fizzled out getting beat up on a bad team.  Let us also not forget that had Matt Barkley come out after his junior year, there was a big possibility he would have gone #1 overall and been a giant bust as he really does look like a journeyman bridge/stop-gap starter at best in this league.  As good as some scouts are at seeing defensive and skill position talent, they are just as poor at evaluating QB talent/transition ability and that ability is lessened by early entrants because there really isn't a tangible way to fully judge character and leadership ability.

I also still believe the way that Ron Wolf believed, draft a QB later in every draft... they snagged Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselback and Mark Brunell in later rounds... the draft is a crap-shoot, no matter how much research you do, why not throw as many possibilities against the wall and see which ones stick

That said, I just don't see the Bears selecting a QB in the first round.  They need to win now and picking any of these QBs in the first round will require time and this coaching staff/front office really don't have two to three seasons to wait on a first round pick to be ready to play.  There are later round guys available that given the same amount of time to develop could work out... Peterman from Pitt (had his best game against Clemson with 5 TDs to 0 picks), Sefo Liufau (I believe he played most of the season hurt, if you watch him vs Michigan he was carving them up before he got injured and had to leave the game) or Zach Terrell (he has been consistent all season leading an undefeated WMU offense and he had 33 TD against 4 picks)

Prior to that game, Deshaun Watson was not considered a top 10 Pick. One games performance does not elevate him, all of a sudden, to the top 3 pick. He will be there late in the first if not the top of the second.

Take a sure fire pick at three and trade back into the later stages of the first round to get him. If at all. Do the Bears really want a running QB? Or do they want a game manager to ride the run game?

Sorry Shadow that means nothing, how many players over the years have moved in the top 10 after the combine, and they moved up without even being in a game, let alone a National Championship game. 

Sorry JAB, but how many players disappear between the Bowl games and the Combine? He is simply the flavor of the day after the bowl games. Remember Johnny Football? There will be many players being touted as the next best thing between now and the draft. You do not set your draft board in January. Watson still is not a valid top ten pick, he is basically Geno Smith and how did he work out for the Jets.

I personally do not want a run option QB in Chicago.  They rarely work out in the Pro's. Look at Kaepernick, he exploded on to the scene and after 2 years of tape was no longer effective. That is what an option QB gets you now.  You want to go that route, better not take them higher than the 3rd or 4th round, because you will need to take one every 2 years.

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Sorry JAB, but how many players disappear between the Bowl games and the Combine? He is simply the flavor of the day after the bowl games. Remember Johnny Football? There will be many players being touted as the next best thing between now and the draft. You do not set your draft board in January. Watson still is not a valid top ten pick, he is basically Geno Smith and how did he work out for the Jets.

I personally do not want a run option QB in Chicago.  They rarely work out in the Pro's. Look at Kaepernick, he exploded on to the scene and after 2 years of tape was no longer effective. That is what an option QB gets you now.  You want to go that route, better not take them higher than the 3rd or 4th round, because you will need to take one every 2 years.

Just like anything else that has come before it, spread option QBs had about two good seasons before NFL defensive coordinators had enough film to figure out a way to nullify it.  The reason they can is because of the talent level of NFL teams.  College teams can still get away with it because the rules will continue to allow it with the oline having 3 yards to go down the field on pass plays, in the NFL that is 1 yard and it makes it tougher to fool defenders with RPOs.  On top of the fact that the NFL is the best of the best in college compiled into 53 man rosters across 32 teams.  So the speed is greater and the football intelligence is much greater.  So now with all the spread QBs, if you don't have someone built like Newton who can absorb the punishment of a run game, then you're pretty much left with the throwing option and not sure if anyone kept up with Cam's completion percentage but it was 52% and that's partially why the Panthers are 6-10 coming off a super bowl run.

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ESPN putting out a scenario for the Browns to go big with two picks in the top three by trading with the Bears or 49ers.

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So for either the #2 or #3 pick the Browns give up the #12, #33, #52 & a 2018 2nd round pick.

Would you make the trade?

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ESPN putting out a scenario for the Browns to go big with two picks in the top three by trading with the Bears or 49ers.

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So for either the #2 or #3 pick the Browns give up the #12, #33, #52 & a 2018 2nd round pick.

Would you make the trade?

In a heartbeat... drop back to 12 and pick Adams/Hooker or Wilson from Florida or Barnett/Lawson....

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I think you would take this all day. Pace would do magic with that many picks. Not to mention if they drop to 12, a qb wouldn't be a huge reach if they are still around..
Also, on Watson, he is a redshirt Junior who has already graduated College. The maturity far outweighs many of the qbs that have come out in prior years. I am a skeptic of spread offense QB's but I would love to have Marriota in a Bears uniform.

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Of course they take this trade. It is tailor made for what I think Pace wants to do. Stock up on quality draft picks and rebuild through the draft in 2017 and 2018. Bears are not sniffing the play offs before 2020 anyway, so why not go all in on the rebuild until then.

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Of course they take this trade. It is tailor made for what I think Pace wants to do. Stock up on quality draft picks and rebuild through the draft in 2017 and 2018. Bears are not sniffing the play offs before 2020 anyway, so why not go all in on the rebuild until then.

2020? Really? 

I can fully agree that the playoffs will be in doubt next season, but if they are not playoff ready by 2018 than Pace has failed. 

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So if i'm reading this right.....

The Bears move back to #12, then pick 1st, 3rd and 20th in the second round? And then resume their regular picks in rounds 3 thru 7?

This is right in Pace's wheelhouse! Those three second round picks could be huge!

Why am I not reading about this trade being finalized? 

I came across this the other day....Someone said the hardest part to moving back in the draft is finding a partner! Well here you go, Pace! Gift wrapped and all......Make it happen!

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So if i'm reading this right.....

The Bears move back to #12, then pick 1st, 3rd and 20th in the second round? And then resume their regular picks in rounds 3 thru 7?

This is right in Pace's wheelhouse! Those three second round picks could be huge!

Why am I not reading about this trade being finalized? 

I came across this the other day....Someone said the hardest part to moving back in the draft is finding a partner! Well here you go, Pace! Gift wrapped and all......Make it happen!

Still a bit too early for trade deals. Preliminary talks are fine, but no one will make a deal until at least until after the Combine.

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